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- Re: [TheBreakfastClubNJ] Recruiters Who Waste Our Time From: Lou Rotolo
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- Fwd: The Job Quest From: Peter Lutz
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Re: [TheBreakfastClubNJ] Recruiters Who Waste Our Time
Posted by: "Lou Rotolo" lrotolo@optonline.net lrotolo2
Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:30 pm (PDT)
Frank,
I agree. In the recruiting industry, just as any other industry, there are both good and bad. When there aren't enough jobs to go around, in desperation, people will put up with the bad ones just to find work.
I only respond to jobs that I feel I'm a good fit for; I don't want to waste anyone's time. If I don't feel that I'm a fit, I'll get back to the recruiter and offer to forward their email to our job search network.
We reap what we sow. If we continue to put up with this kind of treatment, recruiters will continue to treat us this way. If we as the consumers of these recruiting services stop patronizing the bad recruiters, eventually they will go out of business due to a lack of customers, just like any other business that does not meet the needs of its customers.
The good recruiters will do well, as they should and perhaps looking for a job will be a little less frustrating. I believe in karma too, that's why I try to help out recruiters whenever I can. I'm just suggesting we give karma a little help.
Don't worry, I won't post the names of any other bad recruiters here and this is the last time I'll speak of this topic on The Breakfast Club.
Lou
From: fkovacs5@comcast.net [mailto:fkovacs5@comcast.net ]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:11 PM
To: Lou Rotolo; TheBreakfastClubNJ@yahoogroups. ; OLMN2N@yahoogroups.com com ; Edison_TNG@yahoogroups.com ; SMCNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TheBreakfastClubNJ] Recruiters Who Waste Our Time
I would suggest the creative energies be channelled positively to building relationships. I know that job search is frustrating but recruiters are a very important component to that equation. I have meet many wonderful ones over the years I am proud to call upon as some of my closest friends. Think how many responses they may have received, how did you go about differentiating yourself and making the case for your candidacy. What actions did you take to "network" into the recruiter.
If we simply go around creating a recruiter "do not call" list the only people that will be hurt are our members that no longer have access to that opportunity
That said everyone profession has good and bad - if you have sound reason and experience not to deal with a recruiter I suggest you do some people say karma naturally will balance this out over time
Frank
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From: Lou Rotolo <lrotolo@optonline.net >
Sender: TheBreakfastClubNJ@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:02:46 -0400
To: <OLMN2N@yahoogroups.com >; <Edison_TNG@yahoogroups.com >; <TheBreakfastClubNJ@yahoogroups. >; <SMCNG@yahoogroups.com com >
Subject: [TheBreakfastClubNJ] Recruiters Who Waste Our Time
I encourage everyone to start weeding out the recruiters who do not respond to emails or phone calls. In this case, I responded to this same job listing back on June 1st and then followed up with two telephone calls leaving a voicemail both times. My inquiries were ignored.
I've heard it before that recruiters are busy and focus their time on people they feel are the right fit for a job, but an email saying that stronger candidates were already identified takes about 10 seconds to send.
The best way to discourage this kind of behavior is to ignore any future listings from these recruiters and not forward listings from them to your networking groups. You'll save yourself and other members the time and discouragement of tossing their application down another "black hole". The good recruiters will be rewarded with our help and job applications and hopefully the bad ones will use their transferable skills to find work in another field.
Regards,
Lou
From: OLMN2N@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OLMN2N@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Wayne Rothstein
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:16 AM
To: thebreakfastclubnj@yahoogroups. ; sggng@yahoogroups.com com ; Absolutely Abby; stmarysnetworking@yahoogroups. ; olmn2n@yahoogroups.com com ; psgtechnology@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [OLMN2N] Fw: Manager of Desktop Support - Asset Management Firm
If interested, please contact Abby directly.
Wayne Rothstein, PMP
wayne.rothstein@yahoo.com
609 529-0727 (C)
609 860-9366 (H)
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"When it needs to be done right, the first time, everytime."
From: abbyk@ericrobert.com [mailto:abbyk@ericrobert.com ]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:56 AM
Subject: Manager of Desktop Support - Asset Management Firm
Greetings and Best Wishes for a Wonderful Summer......
Our records show based on your resume, which was imported into our system recently that you are an experienced IT professional whose background may possibly align to the senior level position we have been retained to work on as noted below. Our client is a highly recognized leader in the financial industry and remains one of the most prestigious multi billion dollar, multi-strategy hedge funds.
I would be more than happy to go into much more depth if you are interested in engaging in an open dialog about the position and your career. Please send your resume in MS-Word format, I will review your resume and get back to you asap!
Sincerely yours,
Abby Kleinberg
Eric Robert Associates,LLC
363 7th Avenu 6th Floor
New York, NY 10001
212-695 -5900
Title: Director – Desktop Support
Organization:
An established New York based privately owned investment advisor with over $13 billion of assets under management seeks an experienced Desktop Support Professional to support the desktop needs of a workforce of 130. The successful candidate will oversee all aspects of user facing technology and support.
Description:
Lead and manage overall staff and activities for the Desktop Support group. Responsible for building and maintaining relationships with personnel throughout the Firm, development of desktop strategy to address current needs while identifying opportunities to improve service and support.
Principal duties and responsibilities:
* Assessment and development of existing team.
* Interface with firm colleagues to address day-to-day service issues, as well as to identify future needs. Evaluate user satisfaction on a regular basis and implement changes to service model as needed.
* Communicate impact of technology changes or production problems to affected users on a timely basis.
* Responsible for maintaining and supporting LAN, PC environment, Internet capability (including appropriate security), remote access capabilities and telephone system (PBX).
* Support business continuity planning and testing efforts.
* Provide training on new desktop applications as required.
* Implement hardware control, including planning for upgrades as required. Develop and implement plans for rollout of new software.
* Develop and maintain relationships with key vendors.
Required experience and skills:
* Prior experience in managing the PC or Desktop Support function in a similar size organization.
* Bachelor degree in computer science or related degree. Relevant certifications would be a plus.
* Excellent verbal and written communications skills. Ability to translate technical issues into actionable items.
* Strong people management and interpersonal skills.
* Ability to identify potential problems and escalate as needed. Sense of urgency in addressing production issues critical to on-going processing.
* Strong problem solving, prioritization and vendor management skills.
* Experience in the financial services industry is a plus.
Technical Experience Required:
* LAN, WAN, VOIP, Security Issues, Remote Access, Web, etc
Please note this is a Full Time/Permanent Position - (Client is not sponsoring H1 visa at this time)
Note: Please allow me to reiterate that I chose to contact you either because your resume had been posted to one of the internet job sites to which we subscribe, or you had previously submitted your resume to our company.
If you are not currently seeking employment, or if you would prefer I contact you at some later date, please indicate your date of availability so that I may honor your request. In any event, I respectfully recommend you continue to avail yourself to the employment options and job market information we provide with our e-mail notices.
Thanks again.
Abby
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Fwd: The Job Quest
Posted by: "Peter Lutz" lutzpf@gmail.com peter_f_lutz
Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:32 pm (PDT)
Peter Lutz
lutzpf@gmail.com
(908) 672-9150
www.linkedin.com/in/peterlutz
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[image: First tooth lost by my
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�She�s not real, Mommy.�
I haven�t yet heard those words come from my five-year-old daughter
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- I can just send out my resume to any opening that sounds somewhat
close.
- I know I just got laid off, but I�ve never had a problem getting a job.
I�ll take a couple months off and then I�ll look for a new job.
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in the past, but now, just like the Tooth Fairy, they are illusions. They
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about that�
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years at the same company? 10 colleagues? 5? If you were able to name any,
that�s pretty amazing. 4.4 years was the average
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.
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